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09 agosto 09, 19:30
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| User  | Lo scambismo va ancora di moda?
Anche se pensate subito a cose zozze (ma poi perchè le chiamano zozze?) la domanda che faccio è forse di altri tempi. Una volta quando ero piccolo e il modellismo era una cosa da ragazzini squattrinati, si usava scambiarci i piani di progetto o parti di questi piani per fare meglio e ampliare vicendevolmente la propria esperienza. Oggi ci sono i CAD e i CAM e i progetti spesso sono in file vettoriali facilmente scambiabili. Inoltre molti, non troppi purtroppo, utilizzano anche il CAM per modellare interi progetti o parti di esso. La mia domanda è quindi questa; Esiste ancora una "elite" di squattrinati ma volenterosi che amano ancora lo scambismo? Ad esempio io ho il file NC della deriva modificata del VOR70 proprio ora sto facendo lo stampo della parte sinistra (la destra l'ho già finita ieri) Ovviamente so che ci sono persone che fanno modellismo "professionale" io non mi rivolgo a loro perchè mi par giusto che se creano dei pezzi vogliano anche averne dei ritorni... parlo solo a coloro che fanno modellismo per hobby senza fini di lucro. Saluti. 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10 agosto 09, 12:18
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Come posso dare una forma a tutto questo bel codice senza possedere una fresa cnc? Siate pazienti, sono un profano con tanta voglia di realizzarsi la propria barchetta, un footy x ora (dopo aver messo nel ripostiglio la volonta' d fare un trimarano) quindi tra poco mi faro' risentire per qualche consiglio  Un piccolo OT, sono di pesaro, in zona dove ci si riunisce per veleggiare in tranquillita' anche in mare? Grazie Alex | |
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Gli dai forma con un software tipo CNCSimulator o cerca comunque su internet "CNC simulation" download freeware... dovresti trovare qualche centinaio di migliaia di entries!!  Non ti dico cosa sia e non è completo ma da l'idea della mia proposta! ghghghg Se hai dei files vettoriali che vuoi trasformare in G-Code basta che me lo dici in MP e iniziamo! Per campi di navigazione: A Pesaro non saprei dirti. A Rimini in darsena o vicino al traghetto nel porto canale (sempre che non arrivi qualche bel peschereccio a speronarti!!) poi ci sono i laghetti ex-cave oppure a Mirabilandia Prova anche a Fano presso la darsena Marina dei Cesari! Ciao Giank | |
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Mitico! Grazie x le dritte, ho iniziato a documentarmi sull'argomento e devo dire che e' molto interessante. Il tuo codice ha preso forma ed e' veramente un bello scafo, presumo anche che tu abbia modo di mettere le mani su qualche macchina cnc, in questo modo puoi farti lo stampo senza impazzire piu' di tanto, ma levami una curiosita', a colpo d'occhio i passaggi mi sembravano un po' pochini per ottenere la carena finita liscia, bisogna comunque operare di carta vetra x sgossarlo e lisciarlo? O hai modo di fargli interpolare ulteriormente quello che gia' hai senza dover riprendere il file 3d? La cosa mi affascina, ma penso che la modellazione poligonale come la faccio io non sia proprio il massimo come resa finale... per ora ci ho ricavato gli sviluppi di un footy a spigolo giocando con delftship e lightwave ma chissa' se le finanze e il tempo lo permettono una fresina cnc, la volevo fare da tempo, x il polistrene basta e avanza (altro progetto in cui impelagarsi). Nel caso in cui vada a buon fine partecipero' con piacere agli scambi di cop.... eeehhhmmm di codice  Per il momento posso provare a condividere i pochi e spero non troppo infruttuosi passi avanti fatti col footy ma x quelli avevo intenzione di aprire un thread x chiedere quanche opinione a voi che siete piu' esperti. Magari poi ci si incontra qualche volta in darsena Ciao a presto Alex |
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Ovviamente l'appetito viene mangiando!!! Il codice che ho passato è solo una parte del codice completo Se no che gusto c'è? Ci sono vari modi per realizzare lo stampo ... a) fare lo scafo a "fette orizzontali" da 4cm per esempio e fresare le fette b) fare un unico stampo dello scafo ma serve una fresa di diversi centimetri di altezza (Z) e un pezzo di legno abbastanza morbido c) fare tagliare alla fresa le ordinate nel legno eppoi fargli tagliare anche del polistirolo da interporre tra le ordinate in legno. In questo caso bisogna lavorare abbastanza di carta vetrata e tampone! :-) per i footy si potrebbe fare anche lo stampo in soluzione unica se hai un dxf delle superfici posso vedere se il RhinoCAM lo macina Io la fresa già la adopero e me la sono costruita con santa pazienza e nemmeno troppi soldi.. basta avere inventiva e un minimo di tempo da dedicargli... certo non ci freso i camei ma i 3-4 decimi di millimetro li lavora benone.. eppoi l'importante è che faccia il grosso poi ai dettagli ci penso sempre io con l'occhio e le mani!!! Ciao Giank1957 | |
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Ragazzi, nulla in contrario a scambiarci tutti i programmi CN che volete, se sono vostri e li volete condividere tra appassionati del genere non c'è alcuno problema, ma se volete scambiarvi delle paginate di numeretti tipo il piccolo assaggio avrei un suggerimento  Citazione:
e lo agganciate come allegato (tasto gestione allegati etc, etc etc) Se qualcuno lo vuole poi usare è anche più comodo a copiarselo sul pc Ciaou
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17 agosto 09, 15:42
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Ciao Claudio V. e ben tornato (se ferie ne hai fatte) Ovviamente se la cosa prosegue mi pare sensato il tuo appunto. Spero che sia chiara la motivazione che ha portato a questa scelta specifica.... far venire appetito a chi magari appetito non ha. E' altrettanto naturale che nel momento in cui posto un file G-Code, mi assumo tutte le responsabilità di esserne il creatore, spero altrettanto facciano i colleghi modellisti. Sempre altrettanto naturalmente nel momento in cui posto un file. lo rilascio secondo le specifiche di GNU. la proprietà intellettuale della cosa rimane mia ma la rendo pubblica e a disposizione di chiunque non ne faccia un uso a scopo di lucro. La questione di questo assaggio era per far capire di cosa parlassi. Se ho violato qualche netiquette chiedo venia!! Giank1957 |
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 In effetti sono appena tornato dalla mia settimana di ferie in montagna per "giocare" in negozio con mia moglie (mentre sono in ferie)  Acceso il PC e aperto il tuo post sono rimasto ipnotizzato da uno scorrere di numeretti incomprensibili per svariati secondi...  Ho pensato che, giusto per ricominciare bene, mi si fosse subito impiantato il pc  o che fossi più ingrullito del solito Poi ho realizzato cos'era e per fare il replay mi si è impiantato davvero tutto  Diciamo che il mio era un suggerimento di ordine pratico da "non addetto" a quel genere di numeretti per rendere più leggibile e comprensibile l'argomento, niente più. Ciao P.s. apro OT Ma sta barca... la finisci prima o poi? chiudo OT
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Il fatto che si impiantasse tutto mi dispiace!! Volevo solo "invogliare" e invece mi sa che mi becco le madonne di chi volenteroso tentava di capire!!! I "numeretti" sono le coordinate spaziali dell'oggetto che ne esce fuori facendolo tagliare alla fresa. Non sono altro che l'espressione numerica dello scafo del VOR in dimensioni MICRO (12 centimetri LOA) e solo nella parte di sgrosso (lo scafo a gradini nel legno o nel polystirene). Chiaramente dopo lo sgrosso devi far passare ancora la fresa per ottenere lo scafo praticamente lisciato nella sua forma. Quello che si ottiene è una meraviglia!! Ciao Giank | |
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